RacerX
Apr 3, 03:00 AM
I think that Apple was probably aiming to make Pages into a desktop publishing program but then found halfway through that most of the features added in were pretty similar to what word has. Maybe that's why Jobs decided to put it head to head with Word?
Pages is a resurrected application from more than 10 years ago. It's feature set and implementation are pretty much the same, just as the reaction of both the media and users.
Pages was never designed to be a page layout replacement. It is designed to be a step above the standard word processor layout aimed squarely at people who know nothing about page layout. This has been (in it's original form) and currently is a template driven application.
What is so amazing is that people are reacting the same way now as they did before. Always thinking that it'll become more than it currently is. This application has had more than 10 years to be rethought out and improved. If it was aiming for page layout, there was plenty of time to move it in that direction.
Pages is to page layout what painting by numbers is to art. Anyone expecting the freedom that a page layout program offers has missed what this is about. It isn't about freedom, it is about empowering people with little or no experience to produce quality documents.
The only reason Pages has been resurrected is that it was an application that Steve Jobs really liked and thought had a place even if it didn't fit into any defined category.
Steve Jobs, 1993: Pages is a stunning product, and I believe it will become a major mainstream product on NEXTSTEP.
Pages could be a good product... as soon as people start taking it for what it is rather than projecting what they want it to be onto it.
Lets look at a 1992 description of Pages from NeXTWorld:The flip side of PasteUp's carte-blanche approach to page design is a layout program from Pages Software, which after several years in the making is close to release under the name Pages by Pages. It guides users to produce well-designed business documents by limiting their choices to a preset range provided in a companion "design model."
Pages by Pages will ship with seven design models, most aimed at corporate design (other models will be available separately from Pages and third parties). A separate program, the Pages Designer Edition, is used to create models.
Each model contains rules for typeface control, column layout, headline styling, and other elements that make up a page design. The idea is that an organization will use the product to standardize on a common look for all its documents. The constrained approach also allows users to create attractive designs easily, with a fairly flat learning curve.
The Pages user interface groups 26 page elements under six basic palettes. All elements are dragged and dropped on the page, and they interact appropriately. For example, a subhead will know that it lives in a column, so it scales to the column width.
Once users are comfortable with a design model, they have several ways to expand or change it. Every element has an inspector with controls to adjust the behavior of the element. Users may also alter a design model by overriding one or more rules, and then saving it as a style sheet. They can also create a design model from scratch with the Designer Edition.
Pages believes it has hit on a fundamentally new ap-proach to page design. It is aimed squarely at business publishing, leaving the graphic-design market to other products.
Does any of this sound familiar?
The first week Pages was out a lot of people were crowing about a new "Word-killer" and I really felt that was offbase because the better comparison really is to Microsoft Publisher. It reminds me of a light version of Pagemaker from 10 years ago.
Pages was compared with PageMaker during it's original run also.
PageMaker was a very powerful application 10 years ago, I should know, I have PageMaker 1.0-6.5 (and still use Aldus PageMaker 5.0a on my PowerBook 2300c today).
Trying to compare Pages to PageMaker does both a disservice. Pages wasn't attempting to be like PageMaker and PageMaker was never as limiting as Pages.
As for the comparison to Publisher... that I don't know about.
I, personally, don't have a need for Pages. TextEdit (with the help of services from other apps) does most of what I need and when I need more than that I have Create. But even though it is not a product I would want, I know people whom this product would be great for.
The best thing to do is to stop comparing it and give it a fair chance based on what it does. If it fills a need for you, great. If it doesn't, then move to what does.
Pages is a resurrected application from more than 10 years ago. It's feature set and implementation are pretty much the same, just as the reaction of both the media and users.
Pages was never designed to be a page layout replacement. It is designed to be a step above the standard word processor layout aimed squarely at people who know nothing about page layout. This has been (in it's original form) and currently is a template driven application.
What is so amazing is that people are reacting the same way now as they did before. Always thinking that it'll become more than it currently is. This application has had more than 10 years to be rethought out and improved. If it was aiming for page layout, there was plenty of time to move it in that direction.
Pages is to page layout what painting by numbers is to art. Anyone expecting the freedom that a page layout program offers has missed what this is about. It isn't about freedom, it is about empowering people with little or no experience to produce quality documents.
The only reason Pages has been resurrected is that it was an application that Steve Jobs really liked and thought had a place even if it didn't fit into any defined category.
Steve Jobs, 1993: Pages is a stunning product, and I believe it will become a major mainstream product on NEXTSTEP.
Pages could be a good product... as soon as people start taking it for what it is rather than projecting what they want it to be onto it.
Lets look at a 1992 description of Pages from NeXTWorld:The flip side of PasteUp's carte-blanche approach to page design is a layout program from Pages Software, which after several years in the making is close to release under the name Pages by Pages. It guides users to produce well-designed business documents by limiting their choices to a preset range provided in a companion "design model."
Pages by Pages will ship with seven design models, most aimed at corporate design (other models will be available separately from Pages and third parties). A separate program, the Pages Designer Edition, is used to create models.
Each model contains rules for typeface control, column layout, headline styling, and other elements that make up a page design. The idea is that an organization will use the product to standardize on a common look for all its documents. The constrained approach also allows users to create attractive designs easily, with a fairly flat learning curve.
The Pages user interface groups 26 page elements under six basic palettes. All elements are dragged and dropped on the page, and they interact appropriately. For example, a subhead will know that it lives in a column, so it scales to the column width.
Once users are comfortable with a design model, they have several ways to expand or change it. Every element has an inspector with controls to adjust the behavior of the element. Users may also alter a design model by overriding one or more rules, and then saving it as a style sheet. They can also create a design model from scratch with the Designer Edition.
Pages believes it has hit on a fundamentally new ap-proach to page design. It is aimed squarely at business publishing, leaving the graphic-design market to other products.
Does any of this sound familiar?
The first week Pages was out a lot of people were crowing about a new "Word-killer" and I really felt that was offbase because the better comparison really is to Microsoft Publisher. It reminds me of a light version of Pagemaker from 10 years ago.
Pages was compared with PageMaker during it's original run also.
PageMaker was a very powerful application 10 years ago, I should know, I have PageMaker 1.0-6.5 (and still use Aldus PageMaker 5.0a on my PowerBook 2300c today).
Trying to compare Pages to PageMaker does both a disservice. Pages wasn't attempting to be like PageMaker and PageMaker was never as limiting as Pages.
As for the comparison to Publisher... that I don't know about.
I, personally, don't have a need for Pages. TextEdit (with the help of services from other apps) does most of what I need and when I need more than that I have Create. But even though it is not a product I would want, I know people whom this product would be great for.
The best thing to do is to stop comparing it and give it a fair chance based on what it does. If it fills a need for you, great. If it doesn't, then move to what does.
wsteineker
May 26, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by macktheknife
I use Macs and PCs (running XP and NT) on a regular basis. Hardware recognition ("Plug and Play") is definitely better on the Mac. However, agree almost 100% with you that Windows XP has gotten much better in recognizing hardware. Through continued industry standardization, Windows is bound to get better with recognizing hardware.
Yes, but that's just the industry bending to MS's will, not Microsoft actually producing a quality product. That's what's so frustrating here!
I use Macs and PCs (running XP and NT) on a regular basis. Hardware recognition ("Plug and Play") is definitely better on the Mac. However, agree almost 100% with you that Windows XP has gotten much better in recognizing hardware. Through continued industry standardization, Windows is bound to get better with recognizing hardware.
Yes, but that's just the industry bending to MS's will, not Microsoft actually producing a quality product. That's what's so frustrating here!
Blakjack
Mar 28, 09:04 AM
Excited
CarlisleUnited
Dec 18, 01:56 PM
I sincerely hope not. I'd rather have anything other than a poor metal track being played continually on the radio over the festive period.
Even a poor cover of a poor Miley Cyrus song?
Even a poor cover of a poor Miley Cyrus song?
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dernhelm
Apr 5, 11:34 AM
I'm sorry you didn't understand me. I really am and didn't mean to insult you.
But I didn't put a smiley because it wasn't really all that sarcastic. It was a pretty straighforward comment about how Macrumors posters are temperamental and sometimes hypocritical.
Including yourself?
:D
But I didn't put a smiley because it wasn't really all that sarcastic. It was a pretty straighforward comment about how Macrumors posters are temperamental and sometimes hypocritical.
Including yourself?
:D
achie25
Oct 27, 07:04 AM
[QUOTE=longofest]The interface is slick, but it is slow as a tortise. Maybe they are still bringing additional servers online, but I hope the speed improves...
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I agree. Using it on my work PC and IE. And it is really slow.
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I agree. Using it on my work PC and IE. And it is really slow.
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schuetz1619
Jan 2, 08:36 PM
Is there any user-doable diagnosis for Mac 128K floppy drives? When I turn on the machine I get the expected flashing question mark. I then insert a system disk (newly written, non-defective 400K single-sided disk, system 1.01), but the disk does not click into place, nor does the drive start to turn. This is true both of the internal disk and an external disk. I get the same result (actually, lack of result) with any disk I insert, including the original system disk.
I have replaced the clock battery and verified that it is providing 4.5 v.
The front side of the programmer's switch button causes a restart to the flashing question mark; the back side of the switch instantly yields a Sad Mac, code "0F000D".
I'd sure like to do whatever I can by way of diagnosis before taking the unit to a repair shop.
Many thanks,
schuetz1619
I have replaced the clock battery and verified that it is providing 4.5 v.
The front side of the programmer's switch button causes a restart to the flashing question mark; the back side of the switch instantly yields a Sad Mac, code "0F000D".
I'd sure like to do whatever I can by way of diagnosis before taking the unit to a repair shop.
Many thanks,
schuetz1619
thechrisman
Mar 11, 11:55 AM
anyone in line at North Park?
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Big JW
Oct 26, 10:14 PM
Seriously, does anyone know how to use an email address that is not a mac.com address as the reply-to in .mac webmal?
I only use the webmail at work, and at home Mac OS X Mail lets me use my "real" email address as the reply-to. I would love to know how to do it in webmail. An earlier poster said you can, but I just can't see how.
Thanks for the help...
I only use the webmail at work, and at home Mac OS X Mail lets me use my "real" email address as the reply-to. I would love to know how to do it in webmail. An earlier poster said you can, but I just can't see how.
Thanks for the help...
maflynn
Apr 12, 02:21 PM
ouch that is one sizable service pack.
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lordonuthin
Jun 1, 02:17 PM
I have noticed that a lot of the new folders (including myself) are folding a lot of points for the team, great to see :)
I have now hit the 6k red colour for folding :cool: Need some more competition now on the lower score table :p (no point trying to chase the others ;)
I have noticed there are quite a few new folders on our team "go team" glad to see them and congrats to you for reaching the red zone.
I have now hit the 6k red colour for folding :cool: Need some more competition now on the lower score table :p (no point trying to chase the others ;)
I have noticed there are quite a few new folders on our team "go team" glad to see them and congrats to you for reaching the red zone.
iphone3gs16gb
Apr 27, 09:56 PM
Trump's wet dream is on election night be able to say to Obama, "you're fired".
:D
Man I can see this happening!
:D
Man I can see this happening!
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63dot
Mar 12, 01:08 PM
I thought everything that was stamped "Made in USA" or "Made in America" was fully so until I had to set out for my master's thesis on a famous American made product that I adore (Fender Musical Instrument Corporation).
As far as fully made in America, I can understand my expensive pro skateboarder Daewon Song Signature jeans from Matix Clothing Company being American made and the price tag certainly shows that. They are great but regular Matix jeans made overseas are just as good. Outside of my prized jeans, and some cool Sears Craftsman tools from the old days, everything I have is completely or partially made in another country.
When I was researching my guitar collection and my favorite brand, Fender, I went to Fender Musical Instruments as my first possible topic. I love my American Standard Stratocaster and Fender Standard Stratocaster with optional Floyd Rose tremolo. Made in USA is in small print on the guitar so I felt like they were like my vintage Fenders and Gibson guitars which I grew up with which were made in the USA.
It turns out many of the bodies of the guitar body blanks (before finishing), regardless of price point are made at a state of the art factory in Mexico. And on the Fender Standard series (at that time), both body and neck and most electronics are made in Mexico. Oddly, some of the Mexican made electrics from Fender have American made electronics. And while Floyd Rose is an American guitar parts inventor of the highest reputation (then bought by Fender at the time), it turns out the Original Floyd Rose tremolo was made in Germany, or at least the ones I played and some subcontracted by Schaller in Germany among others in the long history of Floyd Rose tremolos.
Later electric guitar models, regardless of maker or sticker or stamp, which are active electronics and may incorporate a small motherboard/daughterboard, have some of the electronic parts made in Taiwan. And that's just guitars and guitar components.
Now imagine how much more complex an "American" car is. Is is assembled here? Probably in most cases and not surprisingly some "foreign" cars are assembled here. But then where are the electronics of said American car from? Where was the paint made? Where were the plastics acquired from? Where is the glass from? Who made the tires, and if so, is it standard on all the car lines? Heck, are all the workers US citizens and/or legally allowed to work in the USA who are at the Ford plant? etc..
So when it comes to "Made in America", unless it's fairly straightforward like my more expensive Matix jeans or my buddy's American made, more expensive New Balance shoes, both which have a limited amount of parts/suppliers, there is no Made in America/USA products that are 100% percent so. It really pains me when somebody around me, in Silicon Valley, still thinks everything Apple is "Made in Cupertino".
That being said, I love any Fender guitar I have come across whether owning it, testing it out, or borrowing it for a gig, every Apple product I have ever owned, and the Matix jeans, my sole American product are not bad either.
I don't really care where a product is made if it is good. I just do my part for my region and buy locally, even if it costs even 10%-20% percent more.
As far as fully made in America, I can understand my expensive pro skateboarder Daewon Song Signature jeans from Matix Clothing Company being American made and the price tag certainly shows that. They are great but regular Matix jeans made overseas are just as good. Outside of my prized jeans, and some cool Sears Craftsman tools from the old days, everything I have is completely or partially made in another country.
When I was researching my guitar collection and my favorite brand, Fender, I went to Fender Musical Instruments as my first possible topic. I love my American Standard Stratocaster and Fender Standard Stratocaster with optional Floyd Rose tremolo. Made in USA is in small print on the guitar so I felt like they were like my vintage Fenders and Gibson guitars which I grew up with which were made in the USA.
It turns out many of the bodies of the guitar body blanks (before finishing), regardless of price point are made at a state of the art factory in Mexico. And on the Fender Standard series (at that time), both body and neck and most electronics are made in Mexico. Oddly, some of the Mexican made electrics from Fender have American made electronics. And while Floyd Rose is an American guitar parts inventor of the highest reputation (then bought by Fender at the time), it turns out the Original Floyd Rose tremolo was made in Germany, or at least the ones I played and some subcontracted by Schaller in Germany among others in the long history of Floyd Rose tremolos.
Later electric guitar models, regardless of maker or sticker or stamp, which are active electronics and may incorporate a small motherboard/daughterboard, have some of the electronic parts made in Taiwan. And that's just guitars and guitar components.
Now imagine how much more complex an "American" car is. Is is assembled here? Probably in most cases and not surprisingly some "foreign" cars are assembled here. But then where are the electronics of said American car from? Where was the paint made? Where were the plastics acquired from? Where is the glass from? Who made the tires, and if so, is it standard on all the car lines? Heck, are all the workers US citizens and/or legally allowed to work in the USA who are at the Ford plant? etc..
So when it comes to "Made in America", unless it's fairly straightforward like my more expensive Matix jeans or my buddy's American made, more expensive New Balance shoes, both which have a limited amount of parts/suppliers, there is no Made in America/USA products that are 100% percent so. It really pains me when somebody around me, in Silicon Valley, still thinks everything Apple is "Made in Cupertino".
That being said, I love any Fender guitar I have come across whether owning it, testing it out, or borrowing it for a gig, every Apple product I have ever owned, and the Matix jeans, my sole American product are not bad either.
I don't really care where a product is made if it is good. I just do my part for my region and buy locally, even if it costs even 10%-20% percent more.
KnightWRX
Apr 30, 07:44 PM
No...it's NOT u/linix sorry...because "web page servers" are not the only computers in data centers!
Hum, you do understand all those big financial institutions and banks don't actually use Windows server for their big enterprise level CRMs and other important packages right ?
Unix and Linux are used for way more than just "web server". Maybe you should try working 1 day in IT before you talk about IT. ;)
Of course, you probably don't want to hear the truth and wouldn't accept it anyhow, keep believing in Windows' importance because that's what you see on the desktop, I'll keep working on real OSes in my cushy IT job far away from anything made by Redmond.
Hum, you do understand all those big financial institutions and banks don't actually use Windows server for their big enterprise level CRMs and other important packages right ?
Unix and Linux are used for way more than just "web server". Maybe you should try working 1 day in IT before you talk about IT. ;)
Of course, you probably don't want to hear the truth and wouldn't accept it anyhow, keep believing in Windows' importance because that's what you see on the desktop, I'll keep working on real OSes in my cushy IT job far away from anything made by Redmond.
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Will Cheyney
Nov 28, 10:56 AM
Yes. Run a WHOIS search and check the DNS addresses (a set of 4 addresses usually something like, ns1.hostingcompany.com).
http://www.whois-search.com/
http://www.whois-search.com/
Tehy
Oct 30, 09:20 AM
Finally! maybe I should now get the .mac, hmm...
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Evangelion
Jun 20, 02:35 PM
Woah... I would partition a 2TB SHXC card and use 1TB for Time Machine and the other half for Final Cut Pro! On freaking 3 square centimeters!
We need to keep our perspective here. Just because the spec supports cards with sizes up to 2TB, it does not mean that such cards are anywhere near to be released. It's just future-proofing. Yes, sizes of memory-cards will keep on increasing, but we will not get terabyte-cards overnight. Maybe in 5-7years or so.
Same thing happened with hard-drives. We got specs that supported hard-drives that were nowhere near to be released. Of course we then got news specs, with support for bigger drives, but even then those bigger drives were not anywhere close to be released.
We need to keep our perspective here. Just because the spec supports cards with sizes up to 2TB, it does not mean that such cards are anywhere near to be released. It's just future-proofing. Yes, sizes of memory-cards will keep on increasing, but we will not get terabyte-cards overnight. Maybe in 5-7years or so.
Same thing happened with hard-drives. We got specs that supported hard-drives that were nowhere near to be released. Of course we then got news specs, with support for bigger drives, but even then those bigger drives were not anywhere close to be released.
skunk
Apr 14, 04:38 PM
Terrible analogy.
As soon as I can choose whether or not to buy the services your analogy becomes valid. That will be the day :rolleyes:You do so by exercising your voting rights. The services are sold as a bundle. You get to choose which bundle. In theory.
As soon as I can choose whether or not to buy the services your analogy becomes valid. That will be the day :rolleyes:You do so by exercising your voting rights. The services are sold as a bundle. You get to choose which bundle. In theory.
newdeal
Apr 21, 01:51 PM
The iphone 5 will be a minor spec bump, i seriously doubt they are waiting for september unless it is for LTE which people claim isnt coming until the revision after that (which imo will be quick to get it out before the holidays rather than waiting till the next june)
dynamo22
Dec 28, 09:26 AM
rockland county is not affected
Nym
Nov 14, 02:02 PM
He's 11 posts shy of the requirement.
LOL, maybe i'll post 11 posts straight just to get in there!
Just kidding :) (almost there)
LOL, maybe i'll post 11 posts straight just to get in there!
Just kidding :) (almost there)
Tom B.
Oct 27, 11:30 AM
I was gonna come to the Regent Street store, but I didn't have enough time, so I went to the Kingston Bentall Centre store instead. Got there at 6 but the queue only took 5 minutes and I easily managed to get a t-shirt. When I left at 7 there was still loads more t-shirts, but it had got pretty quiet outside, so I went back in and got another t-shirt. :D
MattSepeta
Apr 14, 03:55 PM
I wonder why I often see signs like this in stores ...
Seems to me that I have only seen those signs at places where excessive inebreation by customers could be a problem, ie: bars, some places downtown in the bar district, etc.
Anyways, if you don't want to sell something to somebody for WHATEVER reason, no matter how ridiculous, shouldn't that be your right?
Seems to me that I have only seen those signs at places where excessive inebreation by customers could be a problem, ie: bars, some places downtown in the bar district, etc.
Anyways, if you don't want to sell something to somebody for WHATEVER reason, no matter how ridiculous, shouldn't that be your right?
hankk
Jan 29, 06:54 PM
I'm trying to install Panther on our G3 iMac DV from the back up disks that came with our new G5 iMac. (G3 iMac DV: 10.2.8; 768MB; 80GB)
Among the bundled software is Nanosaur 2.0 (pretty fun). It is not supported on the G3.
The install options are:
1. Panther + bundled applications
2. Bundled applications only
3. OS 9 only
There is no Panther-only install option that I can determine.
When I attempt to install on the G3, the installer determines that the target machine does not support the bundled software (as noted above) and stops.
I've inspected the directories of all the back up disks and have not found anything useful.
Does anyone know a work-around to this issue? Or if I want Panther on the old machine, will I have to purchase a Panther upgrade?
One final question: Will my proof of purchase coupons entitle me to a copy of Panther or Tiger that I could install on the G3 iMac?
Thanks, Hank
h.koerner@comcast.net
Among the bundled software is Nanosaur 2.0 (pretty fun). It is not supported on the G3.
The install options are:
1. Panther + bundled applications
2. Bundled applications only
3. OS 9 only
There is no Panther-only install option that I can determine.
When I attempt to install on the G3, the installer determines that the target machine does not support the bundled software (as noted above) and stops.
I've inspected the directories of all the back up disks and have not found anything useful.
Does anyone know a work-around to this issue? Or if I want Panther on the old machine, will I have to purchase a Panther upgrade?
One final question: Will my proof of purchase coupons entitle me to a copy of Panther or Tiger that I could install on the G3 iMac?
Thanks, Hank
h.koerner@comcast.net
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